COURTNEY : CRAVEN : CROW : IRBY : MCNEECE : Genealogy Query


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05-Aug-2009

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COURTNEY : CRAVEN : CROW : IRBY : MCNEECE

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I am Richard CROWE. My great-grandfather was Adrian Judson CROW. Adrian was born (according to a non contemporary bible - written during his later years and I assume with his knowledge) on 09 FEB 1857 in Claiborne County, MS. I do not know his parents (but have certain suspicions). CROW family tradition states that Adrian Judson had an elder brother named James. The existence of a brother named James M. CROW is documented in the 1900 Census of Township 2, Chickasaw Nation, Indian Territory, where Adrian, (misspelled Adinarium on the Census report), 43 years old, is living with a brother James CROW who is 58 years old. The Cansus report lists both men as being born in Mississippi and their parents as being born in Alabama (although there are many discrepancies in documenting the birthplace of the parents of Adrian Judson and James CROW). Family tradition also states that the two CROW boys walked (according to one account) and traveled by boat (according to another account) from Mississippi to Texas when Adrian Judson was approximately 12 years old. Bee County Centennial, 1858-1958, by Grace Bauer, Published by Bee County Centennial, documents the following: "Judd CROW and Doc Clark, with his grist mill settled here" (Cravenville, Papalote, Bee County, Texas, circa: late 1860's). According to Ms. Bauer there was a grist mill operating in Papalote, Texas in 1872 (operator at that time not documented in the Centennial). I do not know if Doc CLARK was a given or surname. I do not know if he arrived “WITH” Adrian Judson CROW or at the same time. I do not know if Doc Clark originated in Claiborne County, MS. If anyone has any information regarding a CLARK who operated, worked in or owned a Claiborne County grist mill I would appreciate sharing that info. I do not know if my great grandfather actually traveled to Texas with his brother James. The Centennial Record does not document the arrival of a James CROW at any time during the early Bee County years. I do not know if my great grandfather had any connection with the Doc Clark and his grist mill. According to those who knew Adrian Judson CROW, he was very-closed mouthed regarding that portion of his life. I have located my James M. CROW on the 1880 Census of Llano County, TX and again on the 1900 Census of Pickens County, Indian Territory (Now Oklahoma) where he was living with his brother and my G-Grandfather, Adrian Judson CROW and the rest of the family I have listed below. James M. CROW was born in 1843 as per the 1900 Census. Adrian Judson CROW and his spouse Annie CRAVEN CROW lived in San Antonio Texas where they had children in 1880 and 1882. They also lived for a while in Edwards County Texas where they had one child in 1885. They also lived in Ardmore, Pickens County, Indian Territory (Oklahoma) where they had one child in 1893. They returned to San Antonio, TX to have children in 1888 and 1898. Pinckney C. CROW b. San Antonio, TX 1880-1916 Adrian Judson (Dave) CROW b. San Antonio, TX 1882-1925 Tom CROW b. Edwards County, TX 1885-1954 Alonzo (Lonnie) CROW b. San Antonio, TX 1888-1945 James Maxwell CROW b. Ardmore, Pickens County, Indian Territory (Oklahoma) 1893-1950 Josephine CROW b. San Antonio, TX 1898-1986 Adrian Judson CROW was a San Antonio, TX policeman as were several of his sons. It is said, by the one living relative who actually knew my grandfather, that Adrian Judson was “very proud of being Irish and always wore green on Saint Patrick’s Day”. Adrian Judson married into a devote Irish Catholic Family (HART/CRAVEN line) of Bee County, Texas. He was married in the Catholic Church making me suspect that Adrian Judson may have been Catholic. There is a rumor floating around that I cannot verify or even find the source of. It has to do with two young men from Claiborne County, MS who fought with Jefferson Davis regiment of Mississippi Rifles during the Mexican War. One of these young men is said to have brought home a Mexican bride. The following are calculated guesses and assumptions. I have attempted to provide the rationale for the assumptions. Regarding the parentage of James M. CROW. He has been documented as being born in MS in 1842/3 and his younger brother (my g-grandfather) Adrian Judson CROW was born in Claiborne County, MS in 1857. Therefore; I assume that James would have been living in Mississippi during the 1850 Census. There are only two boys on that Census who fit the name and birth year. One is living in Atalla County, MS and I have ruled him out because I have located him on later Census reports of MS and have also corresponded with his descendants. The second boy who fits the pattern is listed on the 1850 Census of Claiborne County, MS (note: this is the same county in which my G-grandfather Adrian Judson CROW was born) as Jame* CROW, 8 years old, born in Miss. District 1, Claiborne, Mississippi Pages 116-117 Roll M432_370 Dwelling 237 Notes: “Parmela” is misspelled – it should read “Permelia” John B. and Maria Crow are very similar to those in Grand Gulf – were they enumerated twice Margaret S. and Parmela A. appear to be twins John Crow Planter b. abt 1806 Mississippi Parmela Crow (Permelia) b. abt 1812 Miss Benjamin F Crow Laborer b. abt 1828 Miss Mary O Crow b. abt 1833 Mississippi Martha J Crow b. abt 1835 Mississippi Jame* M Crow b. abt 1842 Mississippi Parmenas R Crow b. abt 1845 Mississippi Margaret S Crow b. abt 1849 Mississippi Parmela A Crow (Permelia) b. abt 1849 Miss John B Crow Laborer, b. abt 1825 Miss Maria Crow b. abt 1829 Mississippi Also living in this dwelling Notes: Benjamin F. McNiece is probably misspelled and could be the son of George W. McNeece and Ellen Crow married on 24 Dec 1845 in Claiborne County, MS. Benjamin F. is likely the son of George W. McNeece from a previous marriage and was the step-son of Ellen Crow. The relationship between Ellen Crow and John and Permelia Crow is undetermined. Mary E. Courtney is probably the child of John A. Courtney and Edney Crow, married 03 Apr 1843 in Jefferson County, MS. There is an Elizabeth Courtney living in the Dwelling of John B. and Maria Stevenson Crow of Grand Gulf. She is likely Mary E. Courtney’s sister Benjamin F. McNiece Abt 1838 Mississippi Mary E. Courtney Abt. 1844 Mississippi There is another John B. CROW family on 1850 Claiborne County Census – could this man have been enumerated twice on that Census? There is definitely a connection between this family and the above John and “Parmela” CROW family because they both have Courtney girls living with them. Grand Gulf, Claiborne, Mississippi Page 113 M432_370 Dwelling: 201 John B Crow Laborer b. abt 1827 Mississippi Maria Crow b. abt 1830 Texas James Crow Farmer b. abt 1820 Mississippi James Crow Laborer b. abt 1832 Mississippi Clark Crow, None b. abt 1798 Mississippi Also living in this dwelling: H.N. Stevenson Shinglemaker b. Abt 1825 Texas Mary Stevenson b. Abt. 1800 South Carolina John Stevenson b. abt 1825 Texas Elizabeth Courtney b. b. abt 1845 Mississippi I note that there is a Texas connection with this family with Maria CROW and the Stevenson men being born in Texas. Additionally, there is a Clark CROW listed as living with this family and there was a Doc Clark who arrived in Texas with or at the same time as my Adrian Judson CROW. Are these just coincidences? This entire family disappears after the 1850 Census. The only trace I can find of them is in the probate records of Claiborne County, MS Benjamin F. Crow transferred the following property in Claiborne County, MS As Per Direct Index to Land Deeds 1802-1907 Crow, B.F. to Gage & Hopkins Book DD Page 95 1857 Crow, B.F. to Alfred Clark Book DD Page 460 1858 (pr shf) Crow, B.F. to to Alfred Clark Book DD Page 611 1859 (pr shf) This indicates to me that the head of the household, John CROW had died and the property was being sold off either to pay claims against the estate or as part of the probate. I can find no other references to The above CROW persons even though there were several with relative distinctive names such as Parmela or Permelia and Parmenas which should have made the searches easier. What happened to these families? Was there a plague (Plagues were rampant in that part of MS in the first part of the 19th Century) or did they simply just move and were missed in following Census reports. The traditional movement of Mississippi planters in that era was to Louisiana. Although there are plenty of CROW surnamed families in Louisiana, I cannot locate these specific CROW’s in Louisiana or anywhere else. Regarding John CROW of Claiborne County, MS: I am assuming that the following Mississippi marriage was for the John and Parmela (Permelia) CROW’s listed on the Claiborne 1850 Census: http://www.rootsweb.com/~msjeffe2/Marriages/marrjeff_c.htm Jefferson County Marriages: CROW, M John IRBY, Permelia 1827-Dec-01 I don’t know what the “M” in M John CROW stood for or if it even stood for a name (might have stood for Mister or Master). My family is known for giving a person one name and calling that person by either another name (As an example: Adrian Judson was always called Jud and was even listed on certain Census reports as Jud or Judd). I also assume that the Permelia is the Parmela listed on the 1850 Census. I have been DNA tested and that testing indicates that I belong to a line of CROW surnamed men (indicated in the testing as the “GOLD” Crow Grouping) whose earliest origins are traced back to Spartanburg MS. Since I am assuming that John and Permelia CROW were living in Jefferson County when they married, I searched Jefferson County CROW families for a male of John’s age. I found only one family who fit. There is a James CROW living in Jefferson County, MS on the 1820 Census of Jefferson County, MS who has a son the correct age for the John CROW on the 1850 Claiborne County Census. The ages of this James CROW and his family also coincide with a James CROW and his family who are on the 1800 and 1810 Census reports of Spartanburg, SC. This James and his family are not on the 1820 census of Spartanburg, SC. James is listed on a later Census of Spartanburg and is living with a family the head of which appears to be his son. I am guessing that he may have been widowed and returned to his ancestral home in South Carolina to live with his son since John and Permelia Irby CROW moved from Jefferson to Claiborne County, MS. I would appreciate any insight into the above members of my family.